Nachetanya Loei Piena Augustra (
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CHARACTER: CANON SECTION
NAME: Nachetanya Loei Piena Augustra
AGE: 18
CANON: Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers
( Also it's probably worth admitting this upfront: a lot of the canon names/terms I'm using here are disputed on how they should be translated between sources. For the most part I'm using the ones that the subtitles on the DVDs use as opposed the the novel translations, despite drawing my events from the novel translations because I think Nachetanya and Goldov look better than Nashetania and Goldof, among others. If that's not kosher I can adapt but it shouldn't matter too much I think? )
NAME: Nachetanya Loei Piena Augustra
AGE: 18
CANON: Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers
( Also it's probably worth admitting this upfront: a lot of the canon names/terms I'm using here are disputed on how they should be translated between sources. For the most part I'm using the ones that the subtitles on the DVDs use as opposed the the novel translations, despite drawing my events from the novel translations because I think Nachetanya and Goldov look better than Nashetania and Goldof, among others. If that's not kosher I can adapt but it shouldn't matter too much I think? )
CANON HISTORY: Wikia link but wow that’s spotty.
Basically, Nachetanya is someone who is presented as being the main heroine of the series for a little bit of the first novel/anime but by the end of the first novel/the anime she’s revealed to be (the first of) the group's traitor(s). Before the start of the series she was convinced to the side of a fiend traitor-general named Dozzu and as it readily revealed through the series her and Dozzu have been plotting means of manipulating the events of the series for years before it started. She also has a backstory related to a civil war in the country she is a princess of and a shared backstory with another character (Goldov), but that’s not really a part of the main plot of the series.
During the first anime she captures the party in a locked room mystery (specifically the Fog Barrier) and tries to implicate someone else as the seventh/a traitor in order to kill at least one or two of them. During that time she acts innocent and tries to convince Goldov in particular to take actions against the others, sort of steering the conversation towards uncertainty. In the end Adlet foils her plan by exposing her. She manages to flee, and then shows up again at the end of the second novel, having followed the heroes to the Wailing Demon territory.
She plays a major role in the third book where her and Dozzu agree to enact a plan to kill one of the heroes at the behest of another fiend general (Tgurneu) but Nachetanya is maimed and kidnapped as a hostage to ensure they manage it. The main plot of the novel revolving around her and her ally having Goldov run around and solve matters for them while their hands are tied against both the heroes and villains of the series. Thus, while the plan is a modified version of a plan to kill one of the heroes that Nachetanya and Dozzu set in motion years ago, and even the choice to go to Tgurneu was Nachetanya's idea, as she's captured for most of the novel she doesn't do much on screen.
During the fourth book, rescued but now sans an arm, Dozzu and her team up with the heroes in order to uncover the secret of their mutual enemy Tgurneu's plot. During this time she ingratiates herself to the party again, but with her motives revealed she's also clearly their enemy, albeit a lesser one. She plays a large role in creating a scheme that implicates and isolates Rolonia to test if she is the other traitor that makes up fair part of the novel.
Technically, there is a fifth and sixth book she's involved in as well, but there isn't a good consistent translation for either of them because the fan-translation stopped partway through five because it started getting an official release. So it'd be hard for me to talk about what she did in those.
CANON PERSONALITY: Something that must preface any discussion of Nachetanya's personality is the simple fact that so much of what she projects forward to other people is a lie, or at least not a whole truth. This can be construed as a strength (she has a strong independent streak and is capable of getting results; she is an excellent actress) and a weakness (she ultimately doesn't trust most people; most of her life is defined by fake-ness), but for the most part it simply is. She is very comfortable with this state of being, and in fact seems to find genuine enjoyment at moments among her potential victims while she is mocking them in her heart.
It's actually fairly easy to understate her intelligence as well; while the main asset she has is flexibility and boldness, the scheme that her and Dozzu set up in the Fog barrier is impressive in the mechanics of it. They kidnapped the Sun Saint and forced her to change the temperature of the area to simulate a fog coming down as soon as Adlet (who she urged to run ahead) broke into the temple area where the controls for the barrier were. This tricked the group into thinking her might have activated the barrier before anyone showed, when it was actually activated by Nachetanya when she intentionally broke the mechanism that controlled it in her "petulant fit".
In the name of her ambitions and perhaps as a response to the trauma of her childhood, Nachetanya has become incredibly strong and cunning. Her and Dozzu's plans are often two or three steps ahead of the heroes, and quickly turn any failure into a pathway towards success, no matter how much needs to change and how insane the path to that "victory" might be. A strong Saint and swordsman, she further supplemented her body with fiend abilities such as fast healing and concealment. Using all of these skills to the utmost, in the Fog Barrier arc she nearly kills a handful of the heroes, and when foiled manages to escape with four against one odds, with strength left to then swim across the sea.
Above I mentioned ambitions, and this is because she draws a distinction between that more selfish framing and ideals/dreams, which you might also use to frame her goals. In her own words, "I have ambitions. And in order to accomplish those I am not afraid of any kind of hardships. It doesn't matter what kind of sacrifices, and I'm fine with whatever kind of bad reputation I have to bear. ... Dreams and ideals, those nice sounding words cannot be used to explain this thought. If it is a dream, I can give up. If it is for an ideal then I can throw it away. But the ambitions I bear, I cannot give them for as long as I live."
As a result of being convinced to Dozzu's side as a comrade at a fairly young age and then surviving her father's mad attempts to cleanse his kingdom of corruption (which nearly resulted in her death in the ensuing civil war), Nachetanya developed an ambition to craft a "better" and "peaceful" world where fiends and humans can live in harmony, and the only people that she can truly trust (and whom she doesn't need to manipulate) are people who understand and share that same ambition. This is not to say that she can't rely on others, such as counting on Goldov's love for her to rescue her from Tgurneu or even how she fights well alongside Adlet when they are ostensibly enemies, but she also doesn't show her most sincere self to them and is neigh-constantly jockeying among them and the other braves to move things towards her and Dozzu's own ends.
Nachetanya's relationship to trust is, of course, fairly complicated. She has the utmost trust in Dozzu (and based on her and Dozzu's dialogue, though they've not been seen much on screen, their other "comrades" who accept the same ambition), but she feels she can't even trust people who don't trust that ambition with the whole truth of what their plans are. As said above, she counted on Goldov's love for her, but when he said he wanted to save the world in the conventional way, she was happy to accept and reward his protection, but still held a distance from him. As said above, she was willing to fight alongside (and protect and plot with) her "enemies" because they both shared a goal and seemed to genuinely like some of them, despite attempting to kill them before. The woman seems to carefully select what about herself she shares with others.
Perhaps a natural weakness brought out from this, however, is a certain lack of empathy in Nachetanya. She doesn't come off as unsympathetic most of the time, but the fact of the matter is that while she does love humanity (and fiends) in their totality she is perfectly willing to sacrifice even the people she loves the most (while in the third novel she counts on Goldov saving her with all her heart, in the first novel she remarks in the end she ought to have killed him when she had the chance) and can be uncomprehending when it comes to the sentimentality of others (she doesn't understand why Rolonia would want to save the corpse soldiers when, as more or less zombies, they are basically too far gone to matter even if they are technically alive).
And, finally, while I have explained repeatedly that a fair bit of the personality she shares with the world might well be a calculated act, it's worth nothing that the personality she does project has its own problems. To Adlet, early in the first novel, she shows herself to be a naive but tomboyish princess who is out to prove herself, but still needs to be protected. To Goldov (whom she's arguably been the most sincere to) she showed herself to be an incurable tomboy who tended to pout when things didn't go her way, but could also be scathing in her sarcasm and wit when needed. To most of the party, she presents herself as excitable, curious, and dignified. However, both in action and in what we're told she acted like in her capacity as Piena's princess (it's established she used to make her maids and servants go fulfill impossible requests for kicks) she teases people near-constantly, playfully and maliciously both.
SKILLS/ABILITIES: The majority of Nachetanya's abilities are tied up in her being the Saint of Blades. Saints, in Rokka, are women who have inherited a fraction of one of seventy-three notable gods' powers, giving them magical abilities and a handful of other little quirks. She does have some other abilities too though, so to list them all:
Her saint abilities are, like I said, the source of her main powers. As the Saint of Blades (and a well trained one at that), Nachetanya can create swords of various sizes and density in mid-air, generating them out of the ground and/or dust in the air. She can then conduct them to fly out and cut things, stab people, form a prison around people, shoot out of the ground as a shield for her, or pretty much anything else you can imagine one doing with crystalline swords. Her upwards limit for how many she can generate seems quite high because there are scenes of her creating dozens at once of different sizes. She can be precise enough with these to peel a carrot without cutting it and the blades are sharp enough to cut through flesh, wood, light armor, and smash through rocks. At one point when going wild she slices apart all the trees in a section of a forest to make an artificial clearing. In addition to this, she is skilled enough to use these abilities to create a Sacred Instrument: a concentration of her powers in form of an object.
The one we see her use in the series is concentrating a lot of her blades into the form of a small diamond which, when activated by her, turns into a lot of moving swords slicing apart the stomach of the person they tricked into swallowing it. Additionally (though probably less relevant?) as a saint, her blood is a neurotoxin for friends, albeit not a very practical one: to kill most powerful fiends its noted it would take a glass of it or more.
Her Mark of Six Flowers is worth noting here. Normally, this would just be a tattoo on her chest which would have petals on it removed as other Braves die. The only (but notable) ability of the mark is making the wearer immune to the miasma of the Wailing Demon Territory, which would kill most humans within hours. That and it also, obviously, marks the wearer as a Brave who was selected by the Goddess of Fate. Nachetanya's mark is a "fake" though - she was not selected for her generation of Braves (likely because she doesn't genuinely want to "defeat" the Evil God) and her mark is instead Hayuha Pressio's Mark from 300 years ago, having been frozen in time and able to be passed off to her as part of her and Dozzu's plan for a fake Brave.
Her fiend abilities as worth mentioning as well! Nachetanya is an ally of (a certain faction of) fiends, and thus she has "pacts" with/cells taken from (the translation is honestly a little unclear) fiends, giving her access to some of their abilities. While it's possible she has more than just these, the two shown on screen are regeneration and a concealment ability. Regeneration speaks for itself: it allows her to heal injuries very fast: she recovers from a crushed throat within a few hours and seals up the majority of her injuries and severed arm (note the arm doesn't regrow, just it heals to the point of being healthy) overnight, with only minor healing help from the healers of the Braves.
As for the concealment ability, it allows Nachetanya to render herself functionally unnoticeable for several sections by releasing a pheromone (that smells like apples) and releasing a high pitched sound (a laugh...? it's unclear) at the same time, tricking people's scenes to create a short term illusion.
And beyond all of those there's a number of more conventional skills she has as well. She's an incredibly talented swordswoman (she fights rapier) in her own right and has enough strength and endurance that she can swim across a stretch of ocean that seems akin the size of the English channel and be balancing well enough to sword fight a day after she has one of her arms severed. Admittedly, her mroe magical abilities probably aide in both of those but she's clearly a strong warrior outside of those given no one questioned her being a Brave, which means she's (in theory) literally one of the six strongest warriors in the word.
Basically, Nachetanya is someone who is presented as being the main heroine of the series for a little bit of the first novel/anime but by the end of the first novel/the anime she’s revealed to be (the first of) the group's traitor(s). Before the start of the series she was convinced to the side of a fiend traitor-general named Dozzu and as it readily revealed through the series her and Dozzu have been plotting means of manipulating the events of the series for years before it started. She also has a backstory related to a civil war in the country she is a princess of and a shared backstory with another character (Goldov), but that’s not really a part of the main plot of the series.
During the first anime she captures the party in a locked room mystery (specifically the Fog Barrier) and tries to implicate someone else as the seventh/a traitor in order to kill at least one or two of them. During that time she acts innocent and tries to convince Goldov in particular to take actions against the others, sort of steering the conversation towards uncertainty. In the end Adlet foils her plan by exposing her. She manages to flee, and then shows up again at the end of the second novel, having followed the heroes to the Wailing Demon territory.
She plays a major role in the third book where her and Dozzu agree to enact a plan to kill one of the heroes at the behest of another fiend general (Tgurneu) but Nachetanya is maimed and kidnapped as a hostage to ensure they manage it. The main plot of the novel revolving around her and her ally having Goldov run around and solve matters for them while their hands are tied against both the heroes and villains of the series. Thus, while the plan is a modified version of a plan to kill one of the heroes that Nachetanya and Dozzu set in motion years ago, and even the choice to go to Tgurneu was Nachetanya's idea, as she's captured for most of the novel she doesn't do much on screen.
During the fourth book, rescued but now sans an arm, Dozzu and her team up with the heroes in order to uncover the secret of their mutual enemy Tgurneu's plot. During this time she ingratiates herself to the party again, but with her motives revealed she's also clearly their enemy, albeit a lesser one. She plays a large role in creating a scheme that implicates and isolates Rolonia to test if she is the other traitor that makes up fair part of the novel.
Technically, there is a fifth and sixth book she's involved in as well, but there isn't a good consistent translation for either of them because the fan-translation stopped partway through five because it started getting an official release. So it'd be hard for me to talk about what she did in those.
CANON PERSONALITY: Something that must preface any discussion of Nachetanya's personality is the simple fact that so much of what she projects forward to other people is a lie, or at least not a whole truth. This can be construed as a strength (she has a strong independent streak and is capable of getting results; she is an excellent actress) and a weakness (she ultimately doesn't trust most people; most of her life is defined by fake-ness), but for the most part it simply is. She is very comfortable with this state of being, and in fact seems to find genuine enjoyment at moments among her potential victims while she is mocking them in her heart.
It's actually fairly easy to understate her intelligence as well; while the main asset she has is flexibility and boldness, the scheme that her and Dozzu set up in the Fog barrier is impressive in the mechanics of it. They kidnapped the Sun Saint and forced her to change the temperature of the area to simulate a fog coming down as soon as Adlet (who she urged to run ahead) broke into the temple area where the controls for the barrier were. This tricked the group into thinking her might have activated the barrier before anyone showed, when it was actually activated by Nachetanya when she intentionally broke the mechanism that controlled it in her "petulant fit".
In the name of her ambitions and perhaps as a response to the trauma of her childhood, Nachetanya has become incredibly strong and cunning. Her and Dozzu's plans are often two or three steps ahead of the heroes, and quickly turn any failure into a pathway towards success, no matter how much needs to change and how insane the path to that "victory" might be. A strong Saint and swordsman, she further supplemented her body with fiend abilities such as fast healing and concealment. Using all of these skills to the utmost, in the Fog Barrier arc she nearly kills a handful of the heroes, and when foiled manages to escape with four against one odds, with strength left to then swim across the sea.
Above I mentioned ambitions, and this is because she draws a distinction between that more selfish framing and ideals/dreams, which you might also use to frame her goals. In her own words, "I have ambitions. And in order to accomplish those I am not afraid of any kind of hardships. It doesn't matter what kind of sacrifices, and I'm fine with whatever kind of bad reputation I have to bear. ... Dreams and ideals, those nice sounding words cannot be used to explain this thought. If it is a dream, I can give up. If it is for an ideal then I can throw it away. But the ambitions I bear, I cannot give them for as long as I live."
As a result of being convinced to Dozzu's side as a comrade at a fairly young age and then surviving her father's mad attempts to cleanse his kingdom of corruption (which nearly resulted in her death in the ensuing civil war), Nachetanya developed an ambition to craft a "better" and "peaceful" world where fiends and humans can live in harmony, and the only people that she can truly trust (and whom she doesn't need to manipulate) are people who understand and share that same ambition. This is not to say that she can't rely on others, such as counting on Goldov's love for her to rescue her from Tgurneu or even how she fights well alongside Adlet when they are ostensibly enemies, but she also doesn't show her most sincere self to them and is neigh-constantly jockeying among them and the other braves to move things towards her and Dozzu's own ends.
Nachetanya's relationship to trust is, of course, fairly complicated. She has the utmost trust in Dozzu (and based on her and Dozzu's dialogue, though they've not been seen much on screen, their other "comrades" who accept the same ambition), but she feels she can't even trust people who don't trust that ambition with the whole truth of what their plans are. As said above, she counted on Goldov's love for her, but when he said he wanted to save the world in the conventional way, she was happy to accept and reward his protection, but still held a distance from him. As said above, she was willing to fight alongside (and protect and plot with) her "enemies" because they both shared a goal and seemed to genuinely like some of them, despite attempting to kill them before. The woman seems to carefully select what about herself she shares with others.
Perhaps a natural weakness brought out from this, however, is a certain lack of empathy in Nachetanya. She doesn't come off as unsympathetic most of the time, but the fact of the matter is that while she does love humanity (and fiends) in their totality she is perfectly willing to sacrifice even the people she loves the most (while in the third novel she counts on Goldov saving her with all her heart, in the first novel she remarks in the end she ought to have killed him when she had the chance) and can be uncomprehending when it comes to the sentimentality of others (she doesn't understand why Rolonia would want to save the corpse soldiers when, as more or less zombies, they are basically too far gone to matter even if they are technically alive).
And, finally, while I have explained repeatedly that a fair bit of the personality she shares with the world might well be a calculated act, it's worth nothing that the personality she does project has its own problems. To Adlet, early in the first novel, she shows herself to be a naive but tomboyish princess who is out to prove herself, but still needs to be protected. To Goldov (whom she's arguably been the most sincere to) she showed herself to be an incurable tomboy who tended to pout when things didn't go her way, but could also be scathing in her sarcasm and wit when needed. To most of the party, she presents herself as excitable, curious, and dignified. However, both in action and in what we're told she acted like in her capacity as Piena's princess (it's established she used to make her maids and servants go fulfill impossible requests for kicks) she teases people near-constantly, playfully and maliciously both.
SKILLS/ABILITIES: The majority of Nachetanya's abilities are tied up in her being the Saint of Blades. Saints, in Rokka, are women who have inherited a fraction of one of seventy-three notable gods' powers, giving them magical abilities and a handful of other little quirks. She does have some other abilities too though, so to list them all:
CHARACTER: AU SECTION
AU NAME: Natalia Fairweather
AU AGE: 21
PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES: She has hazel eyes instead of red eyes and her hair is probably a similar-ish shade of platinum blonde but maybe not quite anime white? She doesn't have the scaring that Nachetanya would have from her current canon point nor is her left arm severed at the shoulder (note this isn't reflected in her icons; those both happen in the 3rd/4th books and her icons are from the anime, that adapts the first). Instead, her left arm is cleanly amputated at the elbow due to bone cancer when she was young. Probably somewhat less muscles and she keeps her hair short.
AU NAME: Natalia Fairweather
AU AGE: 21
PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES: She has hazel eyes instead of red eyes and her hair is probably a similar-ish shade of platinum blonde but maybe not quite anime white? She doesn't have the scaring that Nachetanya would have from her current canon point nor is her left arm severed at the shoulder (note this isn't reflected in her icons; those both happen in the 3rd/4th books and her icons are from the anime, that adapts the first). Instead, her left arm is cleanly amputated at the elbow due to bone cancer when she was young. Probably somewhat less muscles and she keeps her hair short.
AU HISTORY: (I do have permission/worked out on the tdm for the linked history with Zack, Elliot, and any others mentioned here)
She was born in a small rural town, the same as her cousin Zackary Fairweather (
activatingcombatmode). She grew up there around her family's part on an apple orchard and was generally comfortable for a rural area but not wealthy. The large-ish extended family (including a branch in NYC that includes Elliot (
fiddlestick) gave her a sense of community and solidarity growing up.
She grew up alongside a very important handwavy NPC best friend initially Cam was going to app with me for this and while she didn't (and is planning to later) it's still important to my current backstory so I'd like to keep that if that's not cool though it's cool
Early in her life, Natalia made a strong impression on that community as a persistent winner of county faire Miss Town type contests. Despite her lack of wealth, she was something of a "princess" to the community, known to all of them because of that and her quick witted, outgoing attitude as a child. This attention from the adults sometimes made her life easier among her schoolmates but also sometimes made her a target of ridicule, especially after...
When she was 11, surprisingly advanced and dangerous bone cancer was discovered in the bones of her forearm. It was eventually concluded that the only logical solution was amputation, and as a result her left arm is amputated at the elbow. Her family was able to afford at least basically function prosthetics and she underwent much physical therapy for that. She was always an athletic sort and lost her arm early enough that she was able to get through physical therapy as she got through her teen years, but it did make for a sharp divide between her early life and later years in said in that town, in terms of her treatment from everyone.
This, along with her changing attitudes towards rural living in general, further cemented her resolve to eventually leave it. Which she did, for college, applying to and getting into R.U., following in the footsteps of friends and family who also went to the bigger city.
At R.U. she's sort of waffled her way through most of her gen-eds but declared thus far three different majors which she's started and then shifted. She also annoyed the tar our of her first year roommate, Clover (
servileness) with her quirks and their differing personalities until she moved off-campus the following year.
Right now, she's going for a Sociology degree. Eventually she started going to school only part-time, instead taking up a job at her friend's newly opened casino. She does it all but mostly is a very pretty dealer and hostess.
The real thing she picked up at R.U. though was the atmosphere and ability to join groups and clubs. She's tried out a large variety of them, also getting involved (both on an offline) in activism. While she's jack of all trades for this, her most passionate forays are into animal rights and protection, and ... yes. She is a vegetarian who flirts with veganism insofar as her budget, health, and if she's cheating or not allow.
She's been in Recolle for three or so years at this point and probably is just getting into her Junior year credits-wise this coming semester. But that's her lot in life: student by day, casino worker by night, full time opinionated girl. She also has a little dog named Porsche that she loves and may or may not have a cute squirrel.
AU PERSONALITY: The biggest primary different between Natalia and Nachetanya is a matter of focus. Natalia is idealistic and spirited, moving forward to support causes she finds to be important to her and asserting her opinions strongly, but she does not have a strong centralizing ideology like Nachetanya's "ambitions." Nachetanya wants world peace at literally any cost, and that sort of belief that she'd be willing to die and kill for is something Natalia has not (yet) experienced.
In part because from that, Natalia is also less inherently deceptive than Nachetanya. While she still is coy, teases, and keeps things close to the chest sometimes, Natalia has no need to essentially build up "fake" personalities entirely, instead simply being something close to Nachetanya's visible persona she wears at all times, as that's (more or less) who she is. Natalia is a woman who will totally exploit you for money, trip you if she doesn't like you, and "playfully" spite you, but she is not about to kill anyone or be any more malicious than basically a mean girl.
And that is, in part, because Natalia has a much larger support network. In canon, Nachetanya's family is all dead or has tried to kill her, with the only person she can really trust being a dog-fiend that more or less indoctrinated her into a cult? Natalia, who has a large and supportive family network, a town that she grew up in that did at least on some level accept her, and a best friend who she can count on for anything, is much more healthy in that regard. She's more grounded, and as a result she's more empathetic, less prone to thinking of humanity in terms of abstractions like the canon Nachetanya. There's also the fact that she lost her arm to circumstances way beyond her control, which gives her a totally different relationship to that failure as compared to canon Nachetanya, who essentially chose to put herself into that situation.
The long and short of it is that Natalia is mentally healthier because her situation is different, but she's also less sure of herself internally because she doesn't need to be deadly certain of everything the way the canon Nachetanya is.
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AU PERSONALITY: The biggest primary different between Natalia and Nachetanya is a matter of focus. Natalia is idealistic and spirited, moving forward to support causes she finds to be important to her and asserting her opinions strongly, but she does not have a strong centralizing ideology like Nachetanya's "ambitions." Nachetanya wants world peace at literally any cost, and that sort of belief that she'd be willing to die and kill for is something Natalia has not (yet) experienced.
In part because from that, Natalia is also less inherently deceptive than Nachetanya. While she still is coy, teases, and keeps things close to the chest sometimes, Natalia has no need to essentially build up "fake" personalities entirely, instead simply being something close to Nachetanya's visible persona she wears at all times, as that's (more or less) who she is. Natalia is a woman who will totally exploit you for money, trip you if she doesn't like you, and "playfully" spite you, but she is not about to kill anyone or be any more malicious than basically a mean girl.
And that is, in part, because Natalia has a much larger support network. In canon, Nachetanya's family is all dead or has tried to kill her, with the only person she can really trust being a dog-fiend that more or less indoctrinated her into a cult? Natalia, who has a large and supportive family network, a town that she grew up in that did at least on some level accept her, and a best friend who she can count on for anything, is much more healthy in that regard. She's more grounded, and as a result she's more empathetic, less prone to thinking of humanity in terms of abstractions like the canon Nachetanya. There's also the fact that she lost her arm to circumstances way beyond her control, which gives her a totally different relationship to that failure as compared to canon Nachetanya, who essentially chose to put herself into that situation.
The long and short of it is that Natalia is mentally healthier because her situation is different, but she's also less sure of herself internally because she doesn't need to be deadly certain of everything the way the canon Nachetanya is.